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Thinking out loud here about numbers.... Ceqli has countable and mass nouns. All languages do, as far as I know. Ceqli does not have obligatory number, which tends to confuse me when it comes to actual quantifiers. Anyhow.... gasi - many OR much So how to distinguish between many dogs and much of one dog? gasi ze kanin - many dogs gasi han kanin - much of one dog So it seems that gasi is ambiguous unless it's followed by another quantifer of some sort that tells you whether you're dealing with a single thing or a group. To get around that there'd have to be different words for many/much, few/little, etc., which is repugnant. susi kanin can mean enough dogs or enough of the dog. Again, we need to have susi ze kanin or susi han kanin. This also applies when you have a definite article, I suppose. susi to kanin - unless you already know (which you probably would) whether to kanin refers to an individual or a group, you need ze or han. Now, you can say zepufay to ze kanin, zepufay to han kanin -- most of the dogs, most of the dog. Now, does this mean Ceqli needs a mass-of-all article, like Loglan `lo,' or will kul do? zepufay kul ze kanin kom karn. most dogs eat meat. We have these articles now: ta - indefinite article te - not really an article, just means the following thing acts as a noun. ti - proper name marker to - the So do we need `tu'? the mass of all dogs? It has the advantage of suggesting the French `tout.' pise tu kanin ten dira har. A few (of the mass of all) dogs have short hair. vo kul tu kanin bwa xir. almost all (of the mass of all) dogs drink milk. tu also seems natural to use in general statements. tu kanin bi karnkomdi. Dogs are carnivores. guan pufay tu jin bi jini. Approximately half of people are women. bu ke su tu jin fey kan. Not enough people can read. Any thoughts or comments? Especially from Log/Loj experts?