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--- In ceqli@yahoogroups.com, "Marcos Cramer" <marcos.cramer@...> wrote: > > What is it that you don't like about the reverse "tur"? > > I would prefer tru-tur tu troy-tyor, because German "treu" doesn't actually > mean "true" but "faithful" or "loyal". > That's a good point. Oh, I don't like it because somehow it doesn't seem phonetically different enough. It's subjective. But now I'm thinking I have the word 'hay,' which is defined as 'be a fact,' another way of saying 'true,' I believe, so maybe 'tru' is redundant. So maybe I need G. 'treu' for its actual G meaning, as in 'du kannst nicht treu sein':) And do I need 'kore' (correct)? zi kore > zi haybol but that might mean 'you say yes' or 'you agree'. Am I trying to compact too much? So, (thinking as I go) co hay - that's true, yes, that's a fact co kore - that's true The latter seems to apply to a statement rather than the _meaning_ of a statement, if that makes any sense, and can also apply to a medium. to hon kore, zi kore, to ze tsal kore So the contrast can be made: ke fawl flay, da hay. That birds fly, is true. to fra, toy fawl flay betoy, kore. The sentence "Birds fly" is correct. That make sense to everybody? BTW, I resist using 'hya', at least so far, as a reversal of 'hay,' because of its use to mean 'yes.' I figure 'bu', which is technically short for 'bu hay,' is a better phonetic contrast to 'hay.' But 'hya' is certainly possible, and maybe it'll work its way into usage. Just hit me that if 'hay' means 'is a fact,' then 'hayka', an instance of being a fact, means just 'fact,' right? And that still leaves me with the word 'honest'. The new 'troy' would cover a lot of that meaning. Would 'koretroy' mean 'honest' in the sense of truth-telling? But 'kore' just means 'correct' without any moral component. You think of an honest man as one who _tries_ to tell the truth, so he can be honest but not correct. Maybe 'sincere' is closer to 'honest' than a compound involving being correct. Or maybe I just need to break down and coin a word for 'honest' and let the chips fall where they may.