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--- In ceqli@yahoogroups.com, Jim Henry <jimhenry1973@g...> wrote: > On 6/15/05, Rex May <rmay@m...> wrote: > > To summarize, then, names will behave like pronouns in Ceqli. That > > is, there need be no 'ti' the-word to set them off. They will be > > marked by a bound morpheme suffix. We need to have a concensus on > > what that suffix will be. Using so-far unassigned CV's, we have - se > > > -zo is also available > > > I'm slightly inclined towards -zo, largely because the syllable will > > very often be embedded between the name and another compounding > > element, and it seems to be easier to hear. > > I like -zo slightly better than -se; your earlier idea of > /Ze/, "ye", was pretty good too. But I don't see a big > difference among them. > Because the name particle will frequently follow nasals and liquids, which are voiced, it's easier to have the name particle begin with a voiced consonant too. "ze" or "zo" is fine; "ze" seems less stressed, "zo" seems clearer. > > The problem is with multi-element names like kraun sulkizo. Should > > it be kraunzo sulkizo, or do we need a spoken hyphen to hook them > > together? I'm inclined to the hyphen, so we won't wonder if we're > > dealing with two names or one. Also a problem with names like South > > Korea. Or Never-Never Land, or Big Rock Candy Mountain. > > Again, personally I incline to different suffixes to mark personal names, > family names, place names.... But you seem inclined to mark the type > of thing named by the name with a separate common noun morpheme, > which makes sense too. So I would go with the spoken hyphen; it seems > to fit the patterns of ceqli better. > I see the name particle as also serving as a hyphen to any immediately following name. Whether two names are seen as one name modifying another, or one being an appositive to the other, or just two names in a row, is there any doubt that they both must refer to the same thing? Having said that, I find a general-purpose spoken hyphen indispensible in Konya. So I can hardly argue against it. > > So I'm proposing -zo as the name suffix, and -se- as the hyphen. How > > about it? > > > > And I think foreign names should simply be bracketed just like any > > foreign word. For that, we need a CV and a beCV. After being > > bracketed, it can take the -zo and proceed as a name as tho it were > > Ceqli. > > > > And, we need a smooth way to handle Latin nomenclature, as in Homo > > Sapiens. Maybe more bracketing CV's I'll think about that when I'm more awake. :-) > > Probably one pair of particles to bracket foreign proper names, > and another to mark foreign common nouns -- not just Latin > species names, but anything else (clothing, foodstuff, game) > that's too specific to one culture to need a ceqli form with an > official lexicon entry: > sporran, kimono, grits, Parcheesi, .... > > -- > Jim Henry > http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/review/log.htm