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on 5/23/05 9:37 AM, Jim Henry at jimhenry1973@hidden.email wrote: > On 5/22/05, Rex May <rmay@hidden.email> wrote: > I'm beginning to think that maybe > the following vowel here is > more important than the leading consonant. I > mean, for me, > > pwa, pwe, pwi > > are easy to say and hear, but pwo and > pwu are not. That makes sense. > In like manner, tho maybe to a lesser > degree, I find > > cya, xya, sya > > rather better than cye, xye, sye. > > > But not by much, so I'd decide to prohibit c/x/s+y. There. I just > decided > it. Good. > And prohibit at least the combos yi, wo, and wu. Probably a > good idea. Maybe "ye" as well? It was the one that started this whole > thread, after all Sort of. Xye, sye, cye, of course. But what about a word like byen? To me it's clearly different from ben. I think for an English speaker, the fact that a consonant follows the 'e' makes a difference, somehow. Or, I could prohibit the ye, and words of that sort would turn into two syllables - byen vs. biEN - which, frankly, sound pretty much alike to my ear. I'm willing to make that change if there's general agreement that it won't hurt anything. >. > How's this list sound for cwaba? > > B+L, R, W, Y > > C+W > D+L, R, W, Y > F+L, R, W, Y > G+L, R. W, Y > H+L, R > J+W > K+L, R. W, > Y > P+L, R. W, Y > S+F, K, L, M, N, P, R, T, W > T+L, R, W, Y > V+L, R, W, Y > > X+K, L, M, N, P, R, T, V, W > Z+B, D, G, L, R, W, Y That looks pretty good. > I like the way you rule out anything except /w/ after the affricates, and > everything but liquids and semivowels after the stops. I'm not so sure about > /hr/ and /hl/, \ Depending on whether you use the BaCH allophone or the English aitch allophone of the word, you have these possiblites for the two clusters. hlam. Either pronounced like Hebrew Chlam, or with an unvoiced L. hram. Either like Hebrew Chram or with an unvoiced r. > though. > And 2 nasals and liquids in any combination are > permitted as > long as they're bracketed by vowels. A few n/l pairs are > allowed > to end a morpheme ? A vowel must go before, but none is > needed > afterward: > > RN, RM LN, LM Why not RQ and LQ? No reason why not at all. I just don't think I've found those combos in any words that I've borrowed so far. So they could be allowed but most likely rare in practice. One more consideration. Ceqli makes many opposites by reversal, which consists of keeping the cwaba initial group, and then reversing the order of the following faloba: bimyo - subtle, boymi - obvious dina - honest, dani - dishonest Now, I'd like to allow for some more offbeat clusters in some of the resulting reversals: dalam - deep, dmala - shallow It's easy for me. Just like the name Dmitri, which lots of Anglophones can say quite easily. Reactions? -- Rex F. May (Baloo) Visit my website at: http://homepage.mac.com/rmay/ Great leadership training for boys at: http://afewgoodkids.com