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Re: [ceqli] Re: Q about ambiguities



on 2/15/04 7:27 PM, HandyDad at lsulky@hidden.email wrote:

> --- In ceqli@yahoogroups.com, Rex May - Baloo <rmay@m...> wrote:
>> on 2/15/04 5:32 PM, oskar2379 at xeubie@h... wrote:
>> 
> 
> Rats. I thought I would get the first answer in, not the third!
> 
> 
>> To bon de xyen ca joy de dorm sta to dom.
> 
> Replace "ca" with "sa", here and below.
> 
Yes, thanks. Damn.  I keep spelling it like Poirot would.

>> 
>> The good dog happily sleeps in the house.
>> 
>> 'Hu' acts as 'de', except it marks that what follows modifies what
> goes
>> before, the opposite f 'de.'
>> 
>> To xyen hu bon ca dorm hu joy  sta to dom.
>> 
>> Admittedly, I don't have a good way to separate the dorm and sta in
> the
>> first sentence and the joy and sta in the second... Krawn?
> 
> I consider prepositions as phrase markers implicitly. "sta" marks an
> object phrase...sort of.
> 
>> Maybe it should
>> be:
>> 
>> To bon de xyen ca joy de dorm hu sta to dom.
>> 
>> indicating that 'sta to dom' is a modifier of dorm.
> 
> Also a reasonable way to do it, and perhaps more logical because "sta
> to dom" functions as an adverb of place, not really as an indirect
> object of the verb "dorm". But either way, letting "sta" and the
> other few prepositions be phrase separators is, I think, a good idea.
> 
Trouble is, it's been stated (and I like it that way) that sta and dan and
bala, etc. are verb-prepositions, as in Chinese.  In Chinese, as I
understand it, they're just two verbs and the sentence means sort of

The good dog happily sleeps and is in the house.

Now, we'll have situations that I don't know how the chinese handle, like

The dog goes into the house.

To xyen ja to dom.

Means the dog goes to the house.

So

To xyen ja dan to dom.

Would seem to serve for the dog goes into the house, but how do we keep ja
and dan from combining if we want to?

We can always make the compound danja

To xyen danja to dom.

But there should be another choice.


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