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on 4/23/02 11:31 PM, Rob Speer at rob@hidden.email wrote: > You underestimate the usefulness of attitudinals. I haven't experienced > spoken Lojban, but I'm told that they are absolutely the most useful > words to know. And essentially, there is a difference between saying > "Whee!" and "I'm happy." > > In a logical language, you need room for illogical utterances like > these. Okay, but let's clarify just what shd qualify as an attitudinal. The conviction thing I'm glad to hear about. I think the reason they were attitudinals was 1. they were short and handy. 2. there was VV space to use up. I'd say they can best be expressed as sentence modifiers by grovor meaning is certain, is probable, is possible, is uncertain, followed by 'ke' at the beginning of the sentence. Now, the next problem is how to get them to apply to certain words. In English, I think, we mostly just stress the word. Maybe you have a dollar. Maybe YOU have a dollar. Maybe you HAVE a dollar. Maybe you have a DOLLAR. Ble ke zi ten te dolar. (seems just a pinvor will do here, it's scope limited to a single morpheme or compound) Zi, gy ble, ten te dolar. Zi ten, gy ble, te dolar. Zi ten te dolar, gy ble. Are there any other attitudinals, in Loglan, or Lojban, that seem to be inappropriate? -- >PLEASE NOTE MY NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS: rmay@hidden.email > Rex F. May (Baloo) > Daily cartoon at: http://www.cnsnews.com/cartoon/baloo.asp > Buy my book at: http://www.kiva.net/~jonabook/gdummy.htm > Language site at: http://www.geocities.com/ceqli/Uploadexp.htm >Discuss my auxiliary language at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/txeqli/