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on 4/23/02 6:11 PM, Rob Speer at rob@hidden.email wrote: > On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 10:52:03PM -0000, uaxuctum wrote: >> The glottal stop in between makes them all clear enough. >> As for your previous question about glottal stops being >> necessary, I do think so, because that way if you have >> a word that ends in a consonant followed by one that >> starts in a vowel, the syllable structure won't be >> altered if the one uses a syllable-initial allophone >> with a glottal stop: e.g. 'tal an' would sound [tal.?an] >> instead of [ta.lan], thus retaining the CVC VC syllable >> structure--[?a] would be the syllable-initial allophone >> of phoneme /a/. Also, when two vowels meet, the glottal >> stop helps a lot in keeping each one apart. > > I'm trying to figure out what you're saying here. It seems to be in > favor of the idea that words should be able to begin with vowels or > weaks (such as ".ar" and so on for the basic attitudinals), and so the > glottal stop should be used there. But in general you seem to be saying > that the glottal stop should be used between vowels in a single word. > You can't have it both ways. > > If "ca.a" is a valid pivor, how do you tell the difference between that > and the two words "ca .a"? How's this? All Ceqli words begin with C, without exception. Then glottal stops are never needed except to keep vowels from merging, or, at least in come cases, to make VV's clear, let's say. > >> that our word 'sea' is NEVER pronounced as [seja]--that's >> a foreign-accent pronounciation of a possible word 'seya' >> --but only as [se.a] or as [sea]--in Spanish there's a > > It's just the result of my American accent, then. Never mind. BTW, I'm Southern Indiana dialect. You? > >> I think glottal stops are better used to keep syllable- >> initial vowels as such. I think names can be signalled by >> means of special preceding words, which could also be >> used to classify it (proper masculine name, proper >> feminine name, surname, city name, country name, etc.) > > Since names aren't limited to one morpheme, I can only think of one way > to determine where the name ends, and that's the Lojban way - names must > end with a consonant followed by a pause, and no other kind of word ever > ends with a consonant. (Implementing this in Ceqli, this would of course > not include weaks.) > > The beginning of course has to be signaled, such as with "ti". > > It seems that for the current system of names in Ceqli to be > unambiguous, "beti" (or whatever it becomes) at the end of every name > would be mandatory. > > Example: the name "Sarah". > In Lojban: la saras. > Currently in Ceqli: ti sara beti > Lojban-style names: ti saras. I'm leaning towards the C ending rule. And we need a special way to signal a foreign name, i. e. , one that doesn't fit Ceqli phonology. Speaking of names, I've always had trouble with some of the things Loglan considers names. Like one o'clock, for example. -- >PLEASE NOTE MY NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS: rmay@hidden.email > Rex F. May (Baloo) > Daily cartoon at: http://www.cnsnews.com/cartoon/baloo.asp > Buy my book at: http://www.kiva.net/~jonabook/gdummy.htm > Language site at: http://www.geocities.com/ceqli/Uploadexp.htm >Discuss my auxiliary language at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/txeqli/