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> I've had somewhat of a change of heart, and I now fully support > Javier's system. I like w and j as semivowels and y as schwa. The only > thing I dislike is C as /S/. I'd rather X be /S/ and C be /Z/, but > it's pretty arbritrary. Yes, I have also thought of using c for /Z/ and x for /S/. So we can choose: option 1 - c /S/, x /Z/ - tc /tS/, dx /dZ/ Frech 'ch' /tS/ Sanskrit transcription 'c' /tS/ Lojban 'c' /S/ Albanian xh for /dZ/ option 2 - c /Z/, x /S/ - dc /dZ/, tx /tS/ Turkish 'c' /dZ/ Catalan, Basque, Portuguese 'x' /S/ Pinyin 'x' /c<curled>/ (kind of sh sound) Well, I think the choice is a bit subjective here. 'John' and 'Charles' would give 'Dxan' and 'Tcarlz' using option 1, and 'Dcan' and 'Txarlz' using option 2. Votes? I think mine goes to option 1. Best regards, Javier