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on 4/21/02 11:04 AM, And Rosta at a-rosta@hidden.email wrote: > >> Quite so. So the question is, how to define function-word shape so as to >> effectuate this. If we have CV(V), we have at least 13x9 (assuming minimal >> allowance for vowel pairs), or 117. At the same time, we lose the use of >> CV(V) predicates, which can be very handy for high-frequency morphemes. >> If we go with PV(V), [P for plosive} we have only 6x9, or 54, and we have >> to make an exception to the rule for Cai or something to enable letter >> names. >> Or, finally, we could go with PV(V)(V), which would increase it >> considerably, depending on what vowel-triplets were allowed. Still we'd >> have the letter-name exception, though. > > I'd say that associating part of speech with a particular CV pattern > is too restrictive. For the very short and high frequency words, there > need be no patterning of form and function at all, as these are basic > words to be learnt right at the outset. For longer and lower frequency > words, some patterning of form and function could be useful, but it > could involve particular Cs and particular Vs, rather than tying up > whole CV templates. On the other hand, one of the things that drew me to Loglan was that very restriction. I like the 3-way divison of predicates, names, and the structure words. You're saying that we maybe could have a more complicated set of rules for this? I've attempted that with the Plosive thing. Could you give an example of how this might work? If we go with CV, we only have around 14x6, or 84 pivor, and one of them could be a converter of predicates to pivor. Would around 80 pivor be enough to cover all the high-frequency pivor we'd need? If we allowed the diphthongs as well, it would be considerably more. I guess the question is, how many high-frequency pivor do we need? -- >PLEASE NOTE MY NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS: rmay@hidden.email > Rex F. May (Baloo) > Daily cartoon at: http://www.cnsnews.com/cartoon/baloo.asp > Buy my book at: http://www.kiva.net/~jonabook/gdummy.htm > Language site at: http://www.geocities.com/ceqli/Uploadexp.htm >Discuss my auxiliary language at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/txeqli/