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on 3/11/02 10:51 PM, Mike Wright at darwin@hidden.email wrote: > Rex May - Baloo wrote: >> >> on 3/11/02 2:21 PM, Mike Wright at darwin@hidden.email wrote: > [...] >>> BTW, can we add the following (the categories, not necessarily the >>> particular sounds) as standard "series"? >>> >>> tor - manner, way >>> faq - direction >>> taym - point in time >> >> Yes, except I see that we have both tor for manner and sor for kind. Need >> to change one or the other > > How about Hokkien <khoan2> as "kwan" to replace "sor"? > > Or, Japanese "sama" to replace "tor"? Not a single syllable, but not > too clunky. I like 'sama'. Zi kwasama kar da. How did you do it? Or Zi kwasamasa kar da. > > [...] >> Could be zam, or vrem from Russian. Maybe kron from greek. Definitely we >> need the three terms for time. > > I prefer "zam" (even prefer it to "zman", mentioned elsewhere). A > "difficult" consonant cluster following vowels in common terms might > lead to many speakers attaching the first consonant to the preceding syllable: > > <cizman> -> /'tSiz man/ vs. the correct /'tSi zman/ > <kwavrem> -> /'kwav rem/ vs. the correct /'kwa vrem/ > > Even though we know in our hearts that it's wrong, it could muddle the > morpheme structure. This kind of thing happens all the time, even for > native speakers of natural languages and relatively "easy" sound > combos, like the English "a napron" -> "an apron", "a norange" -> "an > orange", and "a nadder" -> "an adder". Quite right here. How about the 'pun'? I'd go for either that or zam. Probably zam because there's more likely to be another 'pun' borrowing with a handy meaning. -- >PLEASE NOTE MY NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS: rmay@hidden.email > Rex F. May (Baloo) > Daily cartoon at: http://www.cnsnews.com/cartoon/baloo.asp > Buy my book at: http://www.kiva.net/~jonabook/gdummy.htm > Language site at: http://www.geocities.com/ceqli/Uploadexp.htm >Discuss my auxiliary language at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/txeqli/