Re: [Ladekwa] Comments and questions - Latejami messages

Stevo,

I think we have two different paradigma-paradigmas. How do you define "argument"?

I was thinking like this: There are two cathegories of entities: one are things, the other ones are states/predicates. (Depending on our view-point, we can at any time change things to states and vice-versa.)

A state (relational = transitive, non-relational = intransitive) is a predicate of a thing (subject, object, focus).

Things having states may be treated as either things or as states. In the latter case, we call the state a sentence (with a verb), in the first case, we call it a noun-phrase (with an adjective).

In many indoeuropean languages (at least in the romance ones) the paradigm is subject-predicate-object, no matter if the predicate is a verb or an adjective.

The word order (the s-p-o paradigm) is always the same:

A student slept. - S=A student, VERB=P=slept -> SENTENCE=A student slept.

A student sleeping - S=A student, P=sleeping -> S=NOUN-PHRASE=A student sleeping

A student sleeping in school - S=A student, P=sleeping -> S=NOUN-PHRASE=A student sleeping, P=in, O=school -> S=NOUN-PHRASE=A student sleeping in school

A student sleeping in school annoyed me. - S=A student, P=sleeping -> S=NOUN-PHRASE=A student sleeping, P=in, O=school -> S=NOUN-PHRASE=A student sleeping in school, VERB=P=annoyed, O=me. -> SENTENCE=A student sleeping in school annoyed me.

But in Ladekwa we have

Slept a student.

A student sleeping

A student sleeping in school

Annoyed a student sleeping in school me.

But anyway, it's working fine. :)

Bye,

Stefo

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From: MorphemeAddict@hidden.email

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Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 2:03 PM

Subject: Re: [Ladekwa] Comments and questions

In a message dated 10/11/2005 6:54:57 AM Central Standard Time, sts@hidden.email writes:

-- Yes, I'm used to the SVO-paradigma. I would say "SPO"-paradigma, though. "P" stands here for "predicate". But I disagree, that in Ladekwa there is only one paradigma. Verbs have an PSO paradigma. Case tags have an SPO paradigma. So, for having only one paradigma, say, the PSO one, I would suppose to say "Zawtwa fawma dweti giku to fa" = P(Zawtwa) S(P(fawma) S(dweti giku to)) O(fa). If the paradigma were SPO strictly, I'd expect "Dweti giku to fawma zawtwa fa".

Stefo,
The arguments of the verb follow the verb. The arguments of the case tag follow the case tag. The arguments of open nouns and open adjectives follow the open nouns and open adjectives. V, S, O don't always apply, but the order is always the same. (I changed P to V because O is part of P.)

stevo