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So "byutya" is like saying a "far-person", as opposed to a "byukwe", which would be a "near-person". I can see your reasoning there, and it sounds fair enough. Given the choice between the two dichotomies, I prefer "bwazeko" and "zwezeko". I think that the narrow/broad distinction hits the nail on the head better than the great/small distinction. "Vozeko" is something that I would associate more with someone who was petty or small minded, than someone who was narrow-minded. Regards, Geoffrey Hacker IS Support Analyst Freehills Direct 61 2 9225 5062 Telephone 61 2 9225 5000 Facsimile 61 2 9322 4000 http://www.freehills.com -----Original Message----- From: Ladekwa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ladekwa@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Morneau Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2005 6:17 AM To: Ladekwa@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Ladekwa] insular "Hacker, Geoffrey" <geoffrey.hacker@hidden.email> wrote: > > I am looking for a Ladekwa word for "insular" as the word pertains to > people, meaning "narrowly restricted in outlook or scope". Closest > thing I can think of is "bwapoyko(mo)". What do people think? > Using your definition, "insular/parochial/provincial" is not a mental state. It's simply an attribute of a person, and can be used to describe a person's behavior as well as the way he thinks. It's not just a mental state, but a whole way of life. This is unlike "prejudiced/biased" which is a pure mental state. I've tentatively implemented "byutya" to mean 'worldly/cosmopolitan/ sophisticated', and its opposite "byukwe" to mean 'insular/parochial/ provincial'. What do you think? By the way, any suggestions for "narrow-minded/hidebound" ("bwazeko", "vozeko", ???) and its opposite "open-minded/broad-minded/tolerant" ("zwezeko", "gezeko", ???)? Keep in mind that we already have "vyokomo" meaning 'impartial/unbiased' and "zyekomo" meaning 'prejudiced/biased'. Regards, Rick Morneau http://www.eskimo.com/~ram ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/GSaulB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links -------------------------------------------------------------------- FREEHILLS This email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you must not disclose or use the information contained in it. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately by return email and delete the document. Freehills is not responsible for any changes made to a document other than those made by Freehills or for the effect of the changes on the document's meaning. Freehills accepts no liability for any damage caused by this email or its attachments due to viruses interference interception corruption or unauthorised access. --------------------------------------------------------------------