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> --- In romconlang@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Collier"
> <petecollier@...> wrote:
>
> This has been knocked back and forth a few times, and
> split amongst various mails, so I'm going to bring it all
> back together and summarise here in a table, to see if
> we're now both/all singing from the same hymn sheet.
>
>
>| CL -- WRom / GRom -- NRom
>|
>| pj -- ( tS ) ^1 -- pj > pp
>| tj -- ts -- T ( #s )? ^2
>| kj ki ke -- ts tsi tse -- T Ti Te ( #s #si #se )? ^2
Check, but I can't see why initial instances of [ts'] should
get a different shave. In fact we *want* initial _th/dh > d_
in particular, no?
>| nk / _{i, e}-- nts -- nT
Check, although I'm not sure what happens to nT in German.
>|
>| bj -- ( dZ ) ^1 -- bj > bb
>| #dj -- #dZ -- #D ^3
>| dj -- 0 -- 0
I'm much more inclined to #dj > j (possibly #dj > d > t) and
definitely -dj- > dd.
>| gj gi ge -- dZ dZi dZe -- D Di De ^3
>| #ga -- #dZa -- #Da ^3
As I said before ka > tSa/ga > dZa is of limited validity even
in Gaul. I'd rather think it simply won't happen in Germano-Romance.
>|
>| sj -- z -- s ^4
No, definitely sj > S > x > h. Old French has Vsj > Vis in all
instances, which probably developed from [S] or rather [s\].
Remember there was no /S/ in OF, only /tS/ < k / _a!
>|
>| mj -- (m; > ndZ) ^1 --mj > mm
>| nj -- J --nj > nn
>| gn -- J --nj > nn
Check!
>|
>| rj -- r -- r
- Old French had rj > ir!
- W.Gmc. simply *preserved* /rj/ (e.g. *nazjan > OE _nerian_)
>| lj -- L -- lj > ll
Check!
>| #j -- #dZ -- #D ^3
No, definitely just /j/.
>
> - ^1 WRom palatisation after NRom divergence
> - ^2 Possible
> differentiation between initial and intervocalic
> positions?
> - ^3 NRom /D/ from earlier /d/
> - ^4 [s_a]
>
>
> The following de-palatisations were also suggested, but
> I've not found any examples of the corresponding
> palatisations arisng in WRom / GRom, so they are moot:
>
> - tS > t
> - S > x
> - Z > j
>
>
>
> Alles klar?
Modulo what I indicated above, certes.
>
> -Pete
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/ BP