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This should probably be viewed in fixed width In the Yahoo interface click " Message Option > Use Fixed Width Font" > --- In romconlang@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Collier" > <petecollier@...> wrote: > > This has been knocked back and forth a few times, and > split amongst various mails, so I'm going to bring it all > back together and summarise here in a table, to see if > we're now both/all singing from the same hymn sheet. > > >| CL -- WRom / GRom -- NRom >| >| pj -- ( tS ) ^1 -- pj > pp >| tj -- ts -- T ( #s )? ^2 >| kj ki ke -- ts tsi tse -- T Ti Te ( #s #si #se )? ^2 Check, but I can't see why initial instances of [ts'] should get a different shave. In fact we *want* initial _th/dh > d_ in particular, no? >| nk / _{i, e}-- nts -- nT Check, although I'm not sure what happens to nT in German. >| >| bj -- ( dZ ) ^1 -- bj > bb >| #dj -- #dZ -- #D ^3 >| dj -- 0 -- 0 I'm much more inclined to #dj > j (possibly #dj > d > t) and definitely -dj- > dd. >| gj gi ge -- dZ dZi dZe -- D Di De ^3 >| #ga -- #dZa -- #Da ^3 As I said before ka > tSa/ga > dZa is of limited validity even in Gaul. I'd rather think it simply won't happen in Germano-Romance. >| >| sj -- z -- s ^4 No, definitely sj > S > x > h. Old French has Vsj > Vis in all instances, which probably developed from [S] or rather [s\]. Remember there was no /S/ in OF, only /tS/ < k / _a! >| >| mj -- (m; > ndZ) ^1 --mj > mm >| nj -- J --nj > nn >| gn -- J --nj > nn Check! >| >| rj -- r -- r - Old French had rj > ir! - W.Gmc. simply *preserved* /rj/ (e.g. *nazjan > OE _nerian_) >| lj -- L -- lj > ll Check! >| #j -- #dZ -- #D ^3 No, definitely just /j/. > > - ^1 WRom palatisation after NRom divergence > - ^2 Possible > differentiation between initial and intervocalic > positions? > - ^3 NRom /D/ from earlier /d/ > - ^4 [s_a] > > > The following de-palatisations were also suggested, but > I've not found any examples of the corresponding > palatisations arisng in WRom / GRom, so they are moot: > > - tS > t > - S > x > - Z > j > > > > Alles klar? Modulo what I indicated above, certes. > > -Pete -- / BP