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> | J- j- s'- s'- S > | DY- dy- dy- s'- S > | G- g- z'- z'- Z > | GY- gy- gy- z'- Z > | > | -J- -j- -s'- -s'- S > | -G- -dy- -dy- -s'- S > | -DY- -g- -z'- -z'- Z > | -GY- -gy- -gy- -z'- Z What phonetic factor would cause J and DY to become voiceless but G and GY voiced? It would be more realistic if first all fricatives w/o all affricates devoice, later to become voiced between voiced sounds, or one of the following scenarios, perhaps in combination with the above devoicing + voicing in voiced environments: | J, G, GY > /(d)Z/ | DY > /dz/ | or | J, G > /Z/ | GY > /dZ/ | DY > /dz/ | or | J, G > /Z/ | GY, DY > /dZ/ Given c > z / V_{e,i} I'd expect J, G > [j] / V_V And do you mean only g / _{e,i} or would g / _{o,u} palatalize? /BP 8^)> -- Benct Philip Jonsson -- melroch atte melroch dotte se ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "C'est en vain que nos Josués littéraires crient à la langue de s'arrêter; les langues ni le soleil ne s'arrêtent plus. Le jour où elles se *fixent*, c'est qu'elles meurent." (Victor Hugo)