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----- Original Message ----- From: "Benct Philip Jonsson" <bpj@hidden.email>
To: <romconlang@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [romconlang] Re: Intervocalic lenition in Romance and MGR
... But *if* Germany up to the Albis came into the Empire then NW Germany was surely also Latinized, no?
Undoubtedly at some point, and for a while. Romance does not survive everywhere the Romans have been though, at least not *here* !
As cumulative historical changes quickly get out of hand, I've been working to a guideline of changing the timeline only where necessary to explain the alternate language, otherwise it's easy to get sidetracked into areas that get further and further from predictability. On that basis, since I've only been dealing with the High German areas the rest has been left as is. As a 'back story' to expalin that my initial thinking (and that's all there's ever been) behind a Franconian/Saxon north is that is the Romans would only have been in NW Germany for a few hundred years, and conceivably the area could easily have 're-germanised' following the collapse of the Empire. That also leaves a door open for the Franks, if I wanted them (most of the last 1500 years of West European history depends on them after all). But nothing is set in stone, of course, as the idea of a Romano-Low Saxon and possibly eventually even English has always been there. I've been too busy in the Swabian Alps, trying to hammer square Roman pegs into round German holes, linguistically speaking to deal with it.
That is if you like the idea of a collaborative ATL. Otherwise we can go our own races and keep comparing! :-)
Collaboration is good, it often achieves more than the sum of its parts. If you get too wacky, I'll just have a secret 'AATL' tucked under the desk here for my own personal pleasure.
> And once that is laid out, all you need to do is follow > the phonological history of English to extrapolate a Romano- > German version from there. The Great Vowel Shift really > could be interesting! *I* would predictably find Old Englich /&NglItS/ < Englichen < Englican < ANGLICANUM most interesting. The GVS wouldn't show up in spelling anyway! :-(
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See <http://www.melroch.se/mgr/>
Nice map!
Perhaps Germania Superior/Inferior would perhaps be Augusta/Agrippinensis in MGR, if their capitals are Aug. Treverorum and Col. Agrippinensis respectively, since their OTL names don't make sense with Alisonensis and Hercynia around.
I have, again only pencilled, G.INF. and G. SUP as a single G. CISRHENANIA province, with G. TRANSRHENANIA between there and the Elbe. In the very early days I was looking at dialects in the Rhine area before later changing my mind and moving south. The province gave me the language name of Rienench(e) though which I like a whole lot better than (Austro-)Bavarian! I have the south-eastern boundary along the Sudeten mountains for two reasons - it's been a natural border since at least the earliest middle ages (no matter how old the map one can always make out Bohemia), and secondly, it keeps history closer to OTL. I can well imagine whoever lived in the future Czech lands at that time might have been foederati though..
Pete