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--- Peter Collier <petecollier@hidden.email>
wrote:
> Aargh, don't talk to me about declension. I've
> spent months trying to
> figure out what I can do with my nouns, and I'm
> getting nowhere fast. Must
> have reworked them half a dozen ways - I just
> end up with 90%+
> irregularity, or an overly regularised, overly
> levelled, bland monstrosity
> that just seems very unlikely. Hochdeutsch and
> Latin do not for make good
> bedfellows.
>
> I do know, pretty much wich ever way I go I end
> up with things being marked
> for 2 genders (m/f) and 3 cases (Genitive, a
> combined Dative-Ablative and
> "Whatever-you'd-call-everyting-else-together")
> - so that seems cut and dry.
> But when I get down to the finer details I have
> plurals in one declension
> resembling singulars in another, some datives
> that look like nomintives,
> nominatives that look like genitives... ugh.
Sounds perfect! What exactly is the problem
again?
> Problem is a lot of vowels are disappearing
> due to a-umlaut early on, then
> i- and j-umlaut later, and the Hochdeutsch
> phonology is eventually
> levelling final vowels to <e>, which is messing
> up the Latin endings (good),
> but not in any readily useable way (not so
> good) . My ideal would be to be
> able to use umlaut morphologically, as with
> German - but the triggers for
> umlaut exist in all all forms in some
> declensions, only some forms in
> others, and not at all in others.
So you end up with all cases marked by -e. Is
that such a bad thing? ;)
> Henrik, you must have had similar problems -
> although I guess Icelandic kept
> the differentiation among its final vowels,
> which must help a lot.
>
> It's a conundrum.I could "cheat" and make some
> drastic changes to the
> phonological development, but wheres the fun in
> that? Also moves it all
> away from the OHG, which I want to keep as much
> as possible.
You might look into Germanech and how it has
solved the issue of German and Latin in the same
bed.
Padraic
>
> Pete.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Christopherson" <rakko@hidden.email>
> To: <romconlang@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [romconlang] Lethino Pronouns
>
>
> > On Mar 11, 2007, at 5:57 PM, jsjonesmiami
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi!
> >> I'm working on a new language, currently
> called Lethino, which
> >> branches
> >> off fairly early. One problem I have is
> that, because s > x, which > 0
> >> when word final, the 3rd person plural
> object pronouns become
> >> identical
> >> to the corresponding singular pronouns. Any
> ideas?
> >
> > I have a few ideas: You could let them merge,
> and have only context
> > disambiguate them. Or you could borrow from
> other cases, such as the
> > nominative (although I don't know which cases
> you are using). Or you
> > could use a content word like "men" or
> "persons" (or even <gens>
> > "people") and have it evolve into a
> 3rd-person plural pronoun.
>
>
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