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--- eamoniski <robertg@hidden.email> wrote:
> I wrote:
>
> > > Grammar stays roughly the same except for
>
> Padraic wrote:
>
> > On that point, Kerno's two registers differ
> > considerably. I'm sure to the point of mutual
> > incomprehensibility.
>
> I'd be interested in some details. I'll check
> out the webpage you mentioned.
There are some text samples in both registers.
I'll work on putting together a quick list of
comparisons.
> > Interesting about that. While it once
> probably
> > was a matter of register -- only the nobility
> > would have known what "beef" or "venison"
> are,
> > the rest of the folk would have said "hwaet?"
>
> And it seems that in English a lot of this
> revolves around names for
> meats.
Well, the French are pretty good at gourmet,
after all. Even Caesar wrote about it in his
Gallic Wars:
All Gaul is divided in three parts: that which
cooks with butter, that part which cooks with
lard and the third part that cooks with olive
oil.
> I can think of some other doublets,
> although I might be
> stretching it a bit:
>
> freedom vs. liberty
> cook vs. chef
> anger vs. ire
> ask vs. inquire
> brotherly vs. fraternal
> eastern vs. oriental
I think most of this is probably just borrowing,
as almost any Germanic word you can think of has
a Latin or Romance double.
> I think it makes the language quite rich.
It does indeed! And mootmakes the whole need for
a pan-Romance IAL, seeing as English has all the
Romance words _anyone_ could ever need! ;)))
> > The dative plural still has a fairly active
> form
> > (in -ib or -iv); a possessive plural can be
> found
> > in many names; the locative can sometimes be
> > found fronted in its clause.
>
> Intriguing. I've been thikning of ways to
> preserve a few remains of
> the Classical cases (other than in fossilised
> phrases...)
I guess you could, since your monks were
scholars, find a way for them to make use of the
ablative in -d; or, like Kerno, borrow the Greek
middle participle! :)
> > I don't have an etymon for cran, but am sure
> it's
> > Celtic. Puleg comes from Latin pulic-.
>
> Milanese also has non ... minga (literally
> "crumb")
K has ne...meck.
> Old French similarly had ne ... mie
>
> Tuscan has non ... punto (just like French ne
> ... point)
ne...point
> French ne ... gu�re is interestingly from
> Frankish ("a lot, much")
I like that one.
> Some other interesting negators from Old French
> include:
>
> amende - almond
I like that one too.
> gote - drop
ne...outh
> eschalope - peapod
I really like that one!
> beloce - sloe
Never heard of sloe!
> areste - fishbone
> some others are: alie, cenelle, fie, nois,
> pommes, espi, festu
Ah, what a shame that modern French has only got
ne...pas left!
> I find Old French and Old Proven�al to be
> terribly inspirational for
> my project. There's something about it...
Indeed! I don't know how systematic they were in
French, but in Kerno, a sort of system of
semantic areas has evolved, such that certain of
the particles tend to get used with certain kinds
of verbs.
Padraic
>
> Cheers,
> Eamon
>
>
Camifi, Marusi, teterani, tester fuferios asteros; tamenio
vem Persaecion empuriase ed ec pasem emduriase!
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