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OK, so not Romance-related, but I thought it might be of interest anyway. This is from a blog at http://daniel.glazman.free.fr/weblog/newarchive/2003_06_22_glazblogarc.html# s95940038 >>>>> Finnish, Estonian, Lappish, Mordve, Tcheremisse, Samoyede, ... I have just realized that languages related to finnish have a very special way of counting 8 and 9: 1 2 8 9 10 Finnish yksi kaksi kahdeksan yhdeksan kymmenen Estonian üks kaks kaheksa üheksa kümme Lappish okta guokta gávcci ovcci logi It really seems that in these languages, 8 is "10 minus 2" and 9 is "10 minus 1". It also seems that the "10" used there is an external contribution to the language. I wonder if the fin. "-deksan", est. "-eksa", lap. "-vcci" come from an indo-european root, like the word for 10 in hungarian is borrowed from an indo-european source. I found no direct correlation with that and the word for "hand" in these languages. I wonder if languages of another group count 8 and 9 like that... Update: Latin 9 is IX, ten minus one. <<<<<< An interesting possibility for any mutant conlang, I'd have thought. James ========================================================================== James Campbell james@hidden.email www.zolid.com Boring, but a cool boring. ==========================================================================