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I just finished a convo on another mailing list and it struck me that I may be on the wrong mailing list and maybe I should post my stuff here instead. To what extend do engelangs overlap with artistic languages and auxlangs? In particular, I'm interested in where the contemporary engelang sub-culture falls on the spectrum of "no one should use this language because it's art and you just don't understand my art" and the other end of the spectrum where the auxlang advocate says "everyone should learn my language, let me give you some brochures, please come to my rally to make this the next global lingua franca" What loglans/engelangs have users outside of lojban and toki pona? I'm working my way up to lojban, I'm not smart enough to dabble in it-- shoot I don't appear to be smart enough to dabble in Xorban either :-(. I've already done most of what I wanted to do with toki pona. Matthew Martin