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RE: [ceqli] Place structure

Hi Rex
I agree, but I thing verbs/predicates should be grouped into standard predicate patterns.
I am thinking maybe 15 or so. And a 16th would include all the exceptions that do not fit
into the 15 major patterns. The 16th group should be marked in some way so tha it is obvious
that it falls outside the realm of consistency.
1. V + Object (Intransitive)
2. V + Object + Subject/Agent/Actor (Simple transitive)
3. V + Object + Subject/Agent/Actor + Observer (Relative/Perceptive)
4. V + Object +  Actor/Agent+ Subject/Director (Causitive)
5. V + Object + ...
 
Regards, Paul V. 


To: ceqli@yahoogroups.com
From: rmay@hidden.email
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 09:22:58 -0700
Subject: [ceqli] Place structure

I'm beginning to think that the idea situation is that Ceqli predicates should, Loglanlike, have a set place structure:

go voy X Y.   I go to X from Y.

and that "be" be used to switch one and two place:

X be voy go Y.    X is where I go from Y.

But that any other out-of-order thing be marked not with any other conversion particles, but either with coverbs:

go sali Y voy X.   I, leaving Y, go to X.

Or maybe with a limited set of case tags, if any become necessary.  Tho it seems like coverbs might cover everything.

And in keeping with more reversion to Loglan ideas, the set of CV's can be made into predicates with an -r ending,
enabling them to combine with other predicates.

go pamo zi.   I am your father.

zi be pamo go.  You are-befathered by me. >

zi berpamo.   You have a father.  You are a being that has a father.

go don hon zi.  I give a book to you.

hon sila zi be don go.   The book is given to you by me.

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