Re: [ceqli] Re: Place structure

On Feb 8, 2007, at 10:37 AM, Larry Sulky wrote:

Jim said:
"Those place structures are one of the worst
features of Loglan and Lojban and the lack of them
is one of the more attractive features of Tceqli."

Agreed. Subject and direct object are the only ones I'd want to see
with a fixed place structure (or rather, with optional place marking).
For all others, I urge a marker. ---larry

I essentially agree, but in keeping with terse Ceqli I want the option of saying

da pa don hon go

And with a few verbs that have, so to speak, an obvious 'double object,' i. e., seem incomplete without including both.  Interestingly, 'voy' (go) in English can't take a DO, but in Ceqli it can:

go voy Xikagozo.

And here's where I'm fuzzy.  Should it have an indirect object, for 'origin'?

go voy xikagozo denverzo.  I go to Chicago from Denver?

Or will that result in overdoing the place structure thing?  I'm beginning to think it might.

I should add, it seems perfectly natural to say

Which would mean

I  go to Chicago from Denver.

Tho considering that the last phrase is considered the 'main' phrase, as in Mandarin, it would mean more like

I left Chicago for Denver.

So the natural thing to say would be

go sali denverzo (sa) voy xikago.

With the 'sa' for precision.

Actually, this could also apply to 'don'

go sila zi don hon.

I arrive you give book.  I to you give the book.

So, if the consensus is that we only need the DO, I'll go with it.