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Bear with me here. I'm thinking out loud. We have two word that sort of mean the same thing. "Jin" and "Pe." "Jin," at this point, means "human being," and has male and female versions "jino" and "jini". "Pe" I've defined as 'person,' and it seems to have a broader meaning than "jin." That is, a Hobbit or a Klingon or a Greek god could be a "pe" but not a "jin". We also have "daren(o/i)" for 'adult human being,' for what that's worth. Partly it's pronunciation for me. I want to choose "pe" as the suffix form because it sounds better to me. "gunpe" rather than "gunjin" Reactions? -- Rex F. May (Baloo) Daily cartoon at: http://www.cnsnews.com/cartoon/baloo.asp Buy my book at: http://www.kiva.net/~jonabook/book-GesundheitDummy.htm