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My goodness! Why would you want to diverge from both the IPA as well as common international usage to the extreme of no longer being able to represent in Ceqli so many common sounds of other languages? The IPA adds [t] and [d] to "x"[S] and to "j"[Z] to represent "tc/tx"[tS] and "dj"[dZ], and is still able to represent the similar but different "ty"[tj] and "dy"[dj] sounds. Indonesian ended up replacing "dj" with "j" and using "c" for the [tS] sound! If you must replace the "x"[S] and "j"[Z] in "tx" and "dj" with a palatisation sign then why are you choosing "j" over "y"? You might wish to be able to represent the schwa by using say [&} or ['] for transcription of English but you wouldn't want to have the schwa as a distinctive vowel of Ceqli because it is so close to the articulation of any of the 5 clearly distinct vowels. The Japanese Department of Education has tried for over one hundred years without any success whatsoever to push the romanisation TYA-TYU-TYO, ZYA-ZYU-ZYO and SYA-SYU-SYO instead of the almost universally used romanisation CHA-CHU-CHO, JA-JU-JO and SHA-SHU-SHO; every other governmental and non-governmental agency in Japan (including every private educational institution and even every public university) still prefers CHA-CHU-CHO, JA-JU-JO and SHA-SHU-SHO! If you are impelled to use digraphs in any case for such interlinguistically common sounds like [tS], [dZ], then better to use the digraphs "th" and "dh" for the sounds in "thing" and in "the" rather than lose the valuable single letters "c" and "j" for sounds that aren't even in most European languages let alone in other language groups. I don't understand how you can claim that the palatizations tj, sj, dj and zj are not digraphs (two signs representing a single sound)? They are just as much digraphs as are the internationaly recognised "ch", "sh" and "zh". While "j" represents "y" in IPA, internationally it is recognised as [dZ]. I prefer the internationally more common sounds [S], [tS] and [dZ] to be represented in Ceqli by "x", "c" and "j" respectively, and to use digraphs "zh", "th" and "dh" for the less common sounds [Z], [T] and [D]. However if you must have symmetry then use "c" and "j" for "sh" and "zh", and make these sounds in Ceqli either more common than or alternative pronunciations of "tc" and "dj". Same argument goes for either "t" and "d" or else "s" and "z" to be used as alternative pronunciations for words of English containing [T] and [D] that might be borrowed into Ceqli. Dhath thayetht Dharathuthtra.... (Leth not ekthclude lithperdh from our midthdt!) Ray Bergmann > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 12:49:51 -0600 > From: Rex May - Baloo <rmay@hidden.email> >> > Changes to the current phonology, based on > suggestions from everybody: > C as in CHew as in THree, wiTH > J as in meaSure as in You, buY > X as in SHoe as in THe, weaTHer > You'll note that C and J have been liberated to > serve as the two Th sounds. > I wanted the following: > > Use only the ascii 26 and no less. > Keep a symmetry /S, Z/ and /tS, dZ/ all represented. > Have a schwa > > Now, we can't do this unless we represent the old C > and J with digraphs, > UNLESS we agree that in Ceqli the /j/ sound > palatizes the preceding > consonant. > > Thus. c > tj x > sj, j > dj, (the unrepresented > /Z/) > zj. > > So 'j' serves to palatize, and also serves as a > semivowel in diphthongs, and > it is _not_ a digraph. > > So, alas, it becomes Tjeqli. ................. > I should add that I figure we should disallow the > 'y' sound after s and z > anyway, as they tend to get confused with sh and zh > sounds. So in setting > sj and zj equal to those latter sounds, we haven't > lost anything in any > case. ..................... The existence of x for /D/ and c for /T/ opens up a > lot of possibilities. > First off, the 'the' words can all have the shape > xV(V). Xy will be > pronounced like unstressed English 'the' and simply > be a noun marker. Xa, > xi, xi, etc. will have different the-ish meanings. http://greetings.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Greetings - Send your seasons greetings online this year!