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on 4/28/02 10:03 PM, Rob Speer at rob@hidden.email wrote: > On Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 09:34:02PM -0600, Rex May - Baloo wrote: >> So the answer to what are you doing is "Go don say sey" I give something >> to somebody. >> >> So a terminator wd save only one syllable, or am I missing something? > > Well, it would save one syllable in the event that you need the > terminator. Almost all terminators in Lojban are elidable in the > majority of situations, so it would save two syllables. If it's not in a > sub-clause, and even sometimes when it is, "go don saj sej" would just > be "go don". I see. Then it makes sense. It's sort of a comma, then, right? > > And it would get very tiring to say "saj sej" all the time. > > Let me point out how "something" works in Lojban. The normal "something" > as in "it doesn't matter what it is" is "zo'e", which has a different > referent each time so only one word is necessary. It isn't actually said > all that often, because all unfilled places are "zo'e" by default. > > "mi citka" (I eat) = "mi citka zo'e" (I eat something; what it is isn't > important.) > > Lojban's "da, de, di" (the equivalent of Loglan's b-series) are > qualified "something"s that can be re-used, and which assign importance > to the "something". "da cevni" (there is a god) is a more powerful > statement than the observative "cevni". Okay. I believe Loglan just has the b-series. > > Now I'll continue with the tradition of throwing in an unrelated topic > at the end of the message. I see that you capitalize your example > phrases in Ceqli. Capitalization is nice and familiar, but in anything > resembling Logban it's not especially useful. You'll almost certainly > need a sentence separator; capitalizing the beginning of a sentence > would almost always capitalize that. (And that's what they did in > Loglan. Seeing all those "I"s made me wonder why they bothered with > capitalization.) My capitalization is just force of habit. And I suppose I do need a sentence separator. Question is whether to go with ".i" or stick to the no words begin with V system. I originally didn't like the Loglan connectives, because I thought they at least blurred the self-segregating morphology (SSM, one 'S' worse than S/M) inasmuch as pauses are required over and above the word-shape. My thinking was that a stumbling speaker might be trying to say djana, and end up sounding like name + conective ? Djan a. Now I'm thinking that's being too picky, and that .a .e .i .o .u will work. I presume Lojban prefixes the pause dot in all cases of intitial V? I'd be inclined, myself, to pronounce it as a glottal stop. -- >PLEASE NOTE MY NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS: rmay@hidden.email > Rex F. May (Baloo) > Daily cartoon at: http://www.cnsnews.com/cartoon/baloo.asp > Buy my book at: http://www.kiva.net/~jonabook/gdummy.htm > Language site at: http://www.geocities.com/ceqli/Uploadexp.htm >Discuss my auxiliary language at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/txeqli/