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on 4/21/02 8:22 PM, Rob Speer at rob@hidden.email wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 11:10:21AM -0600, Rex May - Baloo wrote:
>> These linking things are new to me, I think. The Loglan system is that
>> preds modify following preds. Le kukra prano. The fast runner. And to
>> make compounds you have to bust the words up into cockeyed allomorphic
>> 'combining forms', giving you something like 'kuapra' for a compound. I say
>> 'something like' because you never know what the combining form is going to
>> be without looking it up.
>
> This is how it works in Lojban too - "kukra prano" would be what I call
> a tanru - but tanru can also have words in between that specify
> something about how the words are modified. I think Loglan must have had
> these in some form too.
Yes, the whole pretty little girls' school thing.
>
> "kukra prano" - let me change this to "sutra bajra" so the result isn't
> a horrible mix of languages - could also be expressed as "sutra je
> bajra" ("fast and runner", which is more precise, but people avoid it
> because it's one syllable longer and it contradicts their English ideas
> of what an adjective is), or "bajra co sutra", and if you wanted to say
> "the female fast runner" you would say "fetsi bajra bo sutra" to make
> sure that bajra still modifies sutra first.
the bo is like the Loglan 'ci,' then. Basically a hyphen that makes the two
preds a unit?
>
>>
>> The Ceqli system is that there are no combining forms. On the contrary,
>> something like.
>> To kala faul.
>> Automatically forms a compound
>> To kalafaul
>> Unless the preds are separated with a 'sa'.
>> To kala sa faul.
>
> Right. So what I'm hoping is that, for example, "kala je faul" would be
> the same kind of structure as the one formed with "sa", while
> "kalajeqfaul" would be a compound.
Yes, I guess. I take it the 'je' is like 'and'?
>
> You can use r instead of q if you want. But it wouldn't be entirely like
> Lojban, as Lojban tended to use whatever letter was available, and I
> think that CVr could clash with a bunch of existing predicates.
Maybe. If it's not going to happen all that often, an addition like roi
might be better to avoid clashes. I pick roi because very few borrowed
words are likely to end with it.
>
>> I presume rafsi are the same as the hideous Loglan allomorphic combining
>> forms? If so, of course not. Ceqli's intitial impulse was to do away with
>> those. All other changes pale in comparison. Now, I don't mind at all
>> deriving predicates from structure words by adding -r (or maybe something
>> else). That's an entirely different thing. A good, helpful thing.
>
> Right. And misunderstood me. Incidentally, I wouldn't fully consider
> these "predicates", because they can't stand alone (what would "boq"
> mean?) and have no place structure. Perhaps there could be another term;
> for now I consider them "fake predicates".
Well, sure. They're fake as you put it.
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