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Re: Eek no.



> > Diphthongs like "ea" and "ey", or "ao" contrasted with
> > "au", simply should not exist.
> I follow you on ao and au, but why the first?  Is it that "ea" 
tends to
> sound like "eya"?

I don't find any particular difficulty in distinguishing
between "au" and "ao". I mean, when pronounced with
Spanish clear u and clear o. In Spanish there are some
pairs such as "tao"--[ta.o], the balance of ying and yang;
and "tau"--usually [taw] but also [ta.u], the Greek letter.

I think the problem English speakers find with ao/au
is that they use English diphthong "ow" /AU/  (the
weak part of which is an open u, i.e. a middle sound
between those of Spanish u and o) to imitate both.
Try to pronounce "ao" as English "ah-aw", "au" as
English "ah-ooh" and "aw" as English "ow". Do you
still find them that difficult to distinguish?


> >These are the reason
> > Lojban switched to ai, ei, oi, au, V'V as its only
> > vowel combinations.
> > 
> > V.V, with a glottal stop between the vowels, sounds
> > much uglier to me than V'V with an h-sound. But now I
> > see that neither should be necessary.
> > 
> > Why make new letters for [dZ] and such? This was my
> > idea in the C(C)V(V) form. CC does not include CW. So
> > this would allow for both "jai" and "djai", assuming j
> > is changed to be the single phoneme [Z] like it should
> > be.

Like it should be? For which undefeatable reasons?
Using <j> for /Z/, and <y> for /j/ only creates the
unnecessary problem of leaving <x> unused and /@/
uncomfortably unassigned and unassignable unless
introducing such a horrendously awkward oddity as
using <x> for /@/, or some non-letter such as <->.


> Here's what I believe the CC combinations would
> > be, though I must be forgetting some:
> > 
> > dj dz jb jd jg jv sf sk sp st ts xf xk xp xt zb zd zg
> > zv

Personally, I find <jb>, <jd> or <jg> "uglier" than
<xf>, <xp> or <xt>.


> > (Those x-combinations are ugly as heck. If only x were
> > c.)

And why not just assigning /S/ to <c>? Is there any
good reason against that?


> And I would be happy in this case with letter values:
> 
> c /S/
> j /Z/
> y /j/
> w /w/
> x schwa

Certainly, I would be COMPLETELY HORRIFIED with the
uncomprehensibly oddity of <x> = /@/

AARRRRGHHHH !!!  X-(S)

and even more considering that the alternative assignment

c /S/
j /j/
y /@/
w /w/
x /Z/

quite on the contrary shows no oddity at all but makes
pretty good sense.


> The last is annoying, but this way we get to keep y and w with 
their obvious
> values,

Obvious? For whom? I recall a post to Google groups by
a Swede some time ago complaining about English use
of letter <y>, which he "instinctively felt" as a vowel
letter, for the consonant /j/, which he "instinctively",
"obviously", associated with letter <j>.


Best regards,
Javier