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>> y as in caNYon > > We really don't need this last as a separate phoneme, I think. It's just > /nj/ for most of us. Yeah...I was looking for a role for y, and your use of n-tilde made me think of it. It kind of matches with q, since the sounds and letter forms (descenders, mostly) are similar. Then we have the pairs r and l, m and n, and q and y, along with the voiced/unvoiced consonant pairs. But, no, not really needed. -- Alexander Browne | alexbrowne@hidden.email Saint Paul, Minn., U.S.