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Re: [txeqli] Nailed Down



on 3/6/02 12:36 PM, Mike Wright at darwin@hidden.email wrote:

> Rex May - Baloo wrote:
>> 
>> So far, then, we've nailed down the following:
>> 
>> 1. /tS/ is represented by c, never by tx.
>> 
>> 2. Vowels never become semivowels.  Y and W are used instead.
>> 
>> 3. Stress is always on the first syllable.
>> 
>> 4. Compounds are always head-last.  Xipam, dadom, blufawl, etc.
> 
> Looks good.
> 
>> Now I want to go into grammar big time.
> 
> I was thinking last night about the neatness of the Japanese and
> Hokkien systems of demonstrative pronouns and such, and I have a
> proposal. I'll just use made up sounds, without worrying too much
> about whether they are available or not.
> 
> The basic idea is to have four categories of compounds. Each compound
> would start with one of four modifiers:
> 
> ci - near the speaker
> so - near the person being spoken to
> tu - distant from both (not always applicable)
> kwa - interrogative

I'd like to change the 'tu', simply because I want to reserve tV for the-ish
words.

And to these we can add:

som some, an indefinite
koy  any
bu   no
kul  all, every
ger other
> 
> I picked these sounds for maximum distinctiveness.
> 
> Then, there would be a variety of heads:
> 
> jai - place
> tor - manner, way
> vo - one(s)
> faq - direction
> fwa - point in time
> hu - (connector)

Plus

-sor  kind of
-diq  thing (like vo, only definitely a thing, not a 'one')

and make fwa mean 'occasion, instance' and let 'taym' mean time as you have
it.  I think there's a significant difference between them.

> 
> These would combine to give:
> 
> cijai - here
> sojai - there
> tujai - yonder
> kwajai - where?
> 
> citor - like this, in this way
> sotor - like that, in that way
> (tutor)
> kwator - how? in what way?
> 
> civo - this one
> sovo - that one
> tuvo - that one over yonder
> kwavo - which one?
> 
> cifaq - hither, hence
> sofaq - thither,thence
> tufaq - yon
> kwafaq - whither? whence?
> 
> cifwa - now
> sofwa - then
> (tufwa - way back then)
> kwafwa - when?
> 
> cihu kan - this dog
> sohu kan - that dog
> tuhu kan - that dog over yonder
> kwahu kan - which dog?
> 
> Does this seem like a useful approach?

Another good place to look is Don Harlow's page at
http://www.webcom.com/~donh/Esperanto/correlatives.html
Scroll down to 'A small table, just for you.'

Working with the Esperanto example, the correlatives I did, and the ones
you've come up with, we'll have something very complete here.

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