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Re: [txeqli] Alphabet



Title: Re: [txeqli] Alphabet
on 3/1/02 11:36 PM, Ray Bergmann at rayber@hidden.email wrote:

Rex:
C  as in CHew
X  as  in   SHuSH  (Tx combination as in CHurCH)
Ray:
Does this mean that you can write [S] either with "c" or with "tx"?

No ? It was a mistake.  Just fixed it.

Rex:
O  as in  bOAt
Ray:
Shouldn't this be O as in sAW.  "Boat" would be [bowt] (or [bout] if you decide to include [ou] in your diphthongs), "so" would be [sow] (or [sou]) and "saw" would be [so:]!

No, I decided against that.  I just clarified it on the website.

Rex:
the following
combinations automatically form diphthongs.  So, each vowel or diphthong
forms a syllable
ai  as in  bUY
ei   as in  bAY
oi   as in bOY
au  as in OWl
eu  as in  wAYWard (Esperanto 'eu^')
Ray:
Would the common Esperanto disyllabic "eo" and "ea" be unisyllabic difthongs that are a part of rhe phonemic territory of [eu] or would "eo" and "ea" be 2 syllables in this system?

They'd be 2 syllables, but I'm inclined to prohibit them, lest they do tend to form diphthongs.
Rex:
In compound words, the constituent morphemes retain the stress they'd have if they
were not part of a compound:
Telistol      TE-li-stol    (TV table)
The difference in stress between
Telistol and Teli stol
Ray: But then one needs to know the meaning before one would know how to pronounce it!

No, that's the beauty of SSM.  You know that teli is a morph because it's nCnN.  neither li nor listol can be a morph.

One wouldn't know where the semantic breaks were in "telistol" unless one previously knew that "li" went with "te" and not with "stol".  This is unlike esperanto where one always knows how to pronounce it even if one doesn't know the meaning.   Having the stress at the beginning of a word (or otherwise a raised pitch at the beginning of a word if you are Japanese and aren't used to stressed syllables) would avoid this confusion - as long as one wrote using a space between all words (including compounds): tElistol vs tEli stOl.  .....You wrote: "
This is a compound of hEqlibol and hOn, and hEqlibol is a compound of hEqli and bOl.  It is not a compound of hEqli and bOlhon".  You can see that my rule of stress at the beginning of a word is much simpler than trying to work out which syllable is the second last one and which parts of the word are compounds.  This would also solve the problem of whether two vowels coming together are a diphthong or not as if stress is only on the first vowel in a sentence then there wouldn't be any worry about whether the other vowels that follow form dip[hthongs or not - it is only a problem if the stress is on the second last syllable.  Anyone easily knows the pronunciation without a problem if the stress is on the first vowel of each word: "Aiskriym, nAiser thAn Eni Ai h&v tEist`d".  This sentence would be pronounced the same if the stress is on the second last syllable except for single syllable words, but if you didn't know that first then you'd have to be careful of diphthongs and watch out for compounds in order to work it out.  ...."balapezo  (superman) is a compound of bala and pezo, not a compound of balape and zo, so it is stressed: ba' la pe" zo.  [bAlapezo Iz A kOmpaund ov bAla And pEzo, nOt A cOmpound Of bAlape and zO] would be easier than [balapEzo Iz A cOmpound ov bAla And pEzo nOt A cOmpound Of balApe and zO].

What does everybody think of first-syllable stress?  The vast majority of morphs, remember, will be one or two syllables.


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