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on 2/27/02 11:14 PM, Rob Speer at rob@hidden.email wrote: > (Hi. I just joined the list. I'm a Lojbanist, and am interested in *eqli > despite the terrible ambiguities I've seen in it so far. Mostly, I think > the morphology is neat.) > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 09:03:58PM -0800, Mike Wright wrote: >> Regarding glides, I don't think they should coexist with certain types >> of vowel combinations. It's too difficult to distinguish the following >> pairs in connected speech: >> >> bua bwa >> bau baw >> bai bay >> bia bya > > Is there anything to distinguish? To me it seems those are the same in > each case, and that the second is how they should be written in Txeqli's > morphology. The first uses dipthongs with weak vowels, which I believe > should not at all coexist with Txeqli's entirely separate "weaks". Yes, except that by the current rules, bua would be BU-ah, etc. > >> Also, do you expect nCnN to be true in practice? If not, why not >> narrow it down? Try listing all reasonable combinations, then look for >> a relatively compact set of rules. But I would prefer a more complex >> set of rules yeilding fewer bizarre possibilities such as /bdomen/ and >> /kfey/--not to mention the theoretical possibility of horrors such as >> /ksbqrmnlq/ or /bpbpbpqmqmqm/. > > Those aren't theoretically possible; they have no vowels and thus no > syllables. > > I believe that the rule that a weak cannot be its own > syllable would imply that you can't have three weaks in a row, in fact. > Or is there a counterexample, a cluster of three weaks that can be > prononuced between two vowels with no extra syllables? We -could-, but nobody would like them tinywa, gulnwa. > >> Unlike syntax, the complexity of the morphophonemic rules shouldn't >> have any practical impact on speakers, but only on those who are >> creating new morphemes, which is not something that has to be done on >> the fly. > > Complexity? > > The significant advantage I see to Txeqli is that its morphology is so > dead simple. I thank you. That was the genesis, really, of it. Now we have the stress problem to deal with, which I hadn't given nearly enough thought to, I see now. -- >PLEASE NOTE MY NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS: rmay@hidden.email > Rex F. May (Baloo) > Daily cartoon at: http://www.cnsnews.com/cartoon/baloo.asp > Buy my book at: http://www.kiva.net/~jonabook/gdummy.htm > Language site at: http://www.geocities.com/ceqli/Uploadexp.htm >Discuss my auxiliary language at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/txeqli/