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on 2/27/02 10:10 AM, And Rosta at arosta@hidden.email wrote: > Loglan too can just say "invite sit", though it is true that there > is a lot of scope for adding devices to Loglan that would make > it more concise and less precise, when the need arises. Can it really? In L, 'invite sit' could only mean sit (imperative) in an invite-type manner, or so it was when I last examined the language. Loglan seems most definitely _not_ able to leave something out as can Mandarin and often, english. > > My point concerns not so much the "brief" "txiq stu" form > but the supposedly precise and unambiguous "Go txiq ke zi stu" > form. My contention is that the precision and lack of ambiguity > can be achieved only by taking this goal as the starting > point, and not eschewing formal logic, and then once that > goal is achieved, shorter and less precise locutions can be > developed. I'm not following you. Maybe I never understood what Loglan was all about. I want Tx to have precise meanings for conjunctions, that sort of thing, which any auxlang should strive for. That's why I want input from Loglanists. > I acknowledge that C is an experiment, but I would predict that > by not taking the route I describe, it would fail to meet the > goals of being precise and unambiguous. That said, though, > I imagine that this is fully consistent with Ceqli's 'market > position', as a clearly engineered language, but one that > rejects the formal rigour of Loglan in favour of embracing > certain natlang models. Its closest conlang kin would be, > say, Acadon and Vorlin. -- That's my impression, at any rate. Acadon I don't know about. I'll check it out. Meanwhile, how can I best -retain- the rigor of Loglan while making it -optional-? -- >PLEASE NOTE MY NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS: rmay@hidden.email > Rex F. May (Baloo) > Daily cartoon at: http://www.cnsnews.com/cartoon/baloo.asp > Buy my book at: http://www.kiva.net/~jonabook/gdummy.htm > Language site at: http://www.geocities.com/ceqli/Uploadexp.htm >Discuss my auxiliary language at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/txeqli/