--- In txeqli@y..., Rex May - Baloo <rmay@m...> wrote:
> I really hate, as do
some of you, to have c out there
> not meaning anything. So that
leaves these
> possibilities:
>
> C = /T/ as in Eng
'thin.'
> C = A general click.
> C = sound in German
baCH.
> C = 'ts'.
Ray Bergmann suggests C = [SH] as in:
cain [shain] (appearance, aspect); cam [sham] (north); cama [shama] (candle);
camo [shamo] (desert); camveigater [shamveigater] (North America); can [shan]
(mountain); cani [shani] (adventure); cau [shau] (see, look); ci [shi]
(female); cin [shin] (machine); cir [shir] (milk); co [sho] ("stuff" suffix
denoting results); cpil [shpil] (act); cpo [shpo] (hat); crain [shrain]
(shrine); cum [shum] (noise); cur [shur] (sure, certain); cwa [shwa] (decide,
choose); hobecau (apear or come in sight); bucau (blind); hawacin (airplane); filci (daughter); pamfraci
(aunt);picpo (cap).
* TC = [TSH] as in:
tca (there by you); tcain (chinese); tcal
(move); tcala (whisper); tcam (room); tcama (pardon, forgive); tcamra
(leather); tcape (that person); tcara (to feed, to graze); tcaran (base,
foot); tcari (stick); tcarm (charm); tcau (goodbye); tce (six); tcela
(disciple, follower); tcem (in comparison); tcen (middle); tcene (chin);
tcerul (cigarette); tceyo (size); tci (here); tcil (seven); tcili (chilli);
tcipe (this person); tciyo (gasolene); tcora (wide); tcovo (that just
mentioned); tcu (there away from us); tcun (there away from us); tcupe
(that person over there); tcur (to rob).
Now we have gotten rid of "x" we should
also get rid of "q" [ng] by making it a variation of [n] as Japanese
does, thus we would have:
tcin (please, invite); tcan (long);
camdungater [shamdungater] (Europe); cambin (Arctic); dun (east); enlastan (England); potcankau
(abbreviate); jansaman (armaments); pamfraci
(aunt); jon (bell); pin (bottle) or use Japanese "bin" (bottle); banla
(bungalow); brucau (catch sight of); van (cheek); can (chief); penu
(crowd); karanan (essay); tan (hand); suldungater (Africa); bingater
(Antarctica); AS "FIN" IS ALREADY "FINISH", "FINGER" WILL HAVE TO CHANGE TO
"tandit" AND "TOE" WILL CHANGE TO "paudit" - "dit" being "a digit of the
hand or foot"; tsanyin (a fly); INSTEAD OF SWAHILI "tcunwa" I
SUGGEST USING WHATEVER THE COMPOUND "GOLD-FRUIT" WOULD TURN OUT IN
TCENLI(BOL) - THIS IS AN OPTION IN HEBBREW INSTEAD OF THE ALTERNATIVE HEBREW
WORD "tapuz" - ACTUALLY THE NAME OF THIS LANGUAGE NEEDS
CHANGING ANYWAY, IS TCENLI REALLY A "COMPOUND" OF "TCAIN" (CHINESE) AND
"HENLA" (ENGLISH)? IF YOU HAD "jik" FOR "LOGIC" THEN A LOGICAL NAME
WOULD BE "jikbol"!
Now that "q" is no longer
needed for [ng] which has ceased to be a separate phoneme from [n], it
could be used instead of [tc]: qin (please,
invite); qan (long);
qa (there by you); qain (chinese); qal
(move); qala (whisper); qam (room); qama (pardon, forgive); qamra (leather);
qape (that person); qara (to feed, to graze); qaran (base, foot); qari
(stick); qarm (charm); qau (goodbye); qe (six); qela (disciple, follower); qem
(in comparison); qen (middle); qene (chin); qerul (cigarette); qeyo (size); qi
(here); qil (seven); qili (chilli); qipe (this person); qiyo (gasolene); qora
(wide); qovo (that just mentioned); qu (there away from us); qun (there away
from us); qupe (that person over there); qur (to rob).
This idea of
changing the value of "q" would still be woth exploring even if you were going
to leave "x" as [sh]: xain [shain] (appearance, aspect); xam [sham] (north);
xama [shama] (candle); xamo [shamo] (desert); xamveigater [shamveigater]
(North America); xan [shan] (mountain); xani [shani] (adventure); xau [shau]
(see, look); xi [shi] (female); xin [shin] (machine); xir [shir] (milk); xo
[sho] ("stuff" suffix denoting results); xpil [shpil] (act); xpo [shpo] (hat);
xrain [shrain] (shrine); xum [shum] (noise); xur [shur] (sure, certain); xwa
[shwa] (decide, choose); hobexau (apear or come in sight); buxau (blind); hawaxin (airplane); filxi (daughter); pamfraxi
(aunt);pixpo (cap).
Basically if we were
going to use the "q" for [tsh] then we would only need to decide
which of the letters "x" and "c" would be [sh] and which would be
the ONLY letter in the alphabet not being used. If "c" is not [sh]
or [tsh] then the logical use of "c" would be as [ts] because that is its
sound in both Esperanto and in Chinese. But [ts] is too close in
sound to [tsh] and to [s] - in Yahoo Group Nova which explores Reform versions
of Esperanto, many of the members have suggested reducing [ts] to
[s] especially in words like "scienco" = "sienso"! On the other
hand "x" is available as a phoneme including both [ks] (when a voiceless sound
follows) or [kz] (when a voiced sound follows); the auxiliary
language Unish from one of the universities in Korea uses it like that,
and also some of the Reform-Esperantists use it: experto = eksperto,
exameno = ekzameno (but in this case the [kz] sound are changed to
[ks] so that the letter always has the same sound); and of course the
quite well-known Henlabol (English) uses it that
way.
So here is my
suggested alphabet:
a, b, c = [sh], d,
e, f, g, h, i, j, k, l, m, n, o, p, q = [tsh] (or [kw] if "tc" is preferred),
r, s, t u, v, w, x = [ks] (allowing optionally also [kz] when a voiced sound
follows), y, z.
Some of the
Nov-esperantists prefer to use "c" as [k] and to use "k" as [X] like in
German "Bach". In that case the alphabet would
be:
a, b, c = [k], d, e,
f, g, h, i, j, k = [X], l, m, n, o, p, q = [tsh] (or [kw] if "tx" is
preferred), r, s, t u, v, w, x = [sh], y,
z.
By the way, I never
did find out why "c" = [tsh] has apparently been unanimously
rejected!!??
Ray
Bergmann,
Brisbane,
Australia.